Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:03 pm?? ?Post subject: The "Older" Crowd
G'day!
New to IRC-Junkie, but not to IRC or to chat. Ran a BBS in the early 80's. I spent over 8 years nearly exclusively on one network as a user before being pursuaded to volunteer as an IRCop. Until then I was totally and blissfully unaware of the politics of IRC administration. There are times when I would love to go back to those days of peace.
I am a disabled great-grandmother living in the "bush" in Western Australia, who opers on a small but very friendly network. I trained on a large and unwieldy network run by a female nazi who shot through (and still does) good IRCops as fast as she could train them up and burn them out. What I learned there was how to be a good oper, and how to keep from being a pain in the posterior. Oh yes, I almost forgot, I also learned how to duck and cover.
I have no use for IRCops or networks who behave as though they know it all, who raid other network for users, who are on power trips or who spend their time whinging about what everyone else is doing while their own back yards fill with rubbish.
Other than that, my goals as an IRCop are to make the users and the other opers smile, to resolve issues with kindness rather than k-lines and to help teach users how to make the best use of their clients.
I am the only oper on my shift (out of 14) dues to my time zone. If you are bored, drop in and say g'day. No one will require you to register, yell at you for using a cliet downloaded from another network, or boot you for chatting on other networks.
Interesting introduction. Looking forward to see your opinions and comments on the topics brought up on this site =) (it still is more a news site then a general type of forum I guess).
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:53 pm?? ?Post subject:
"I have no use for IRCops or networks who behave as though they know it all, who raid other network for users, who are on power trips or who spend their time whinging about what everyone else is doing while their own back yards fill with rubbish. "
That's just a fact of IRC life ... the second IRC net in existance stole users from the first and validated it by whining about how messed up the "management" is. Every other network in existance is most likely guilty of doing the same thing even to the slightest degree either officially or unofficially .. it's happened. Read the history of the older nets and you'll more than likely see something like "We branched off from XYZ net because ". Even though EFnet is the oldest IRC network, I'm sure they have "stole" a few users as well. It's just inherant to the environment, sorry.
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:29 am?? ?Post subject:
Well, you have to fix up a userbase somehow.
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:01 pm?? ?Post subject:
Kahr wrote:
Well, you have to fix up a userbase somehow.
Yes, I know. My point wasn't trying to be negitive. My point is more like it's kind of an oxymoron to love IRC but hate how users are gathered. It's like being a racecar driver and hating racing fuel. The 2 go hand-in-hand.
PS:
MexDownunda,
it's not too late to go back to being just a user and enjoying the tranquility. I've basiclly done exactlly that. I too have opered for many many years and I'm finding too many nets run by children and IRC related websites are infested with these "Children" trying to display what they think is knowledge. I'm not interested in all that hub bub, so I rarely oper anymore and stay in the quiet corners of IRC as a regular user and leave the kids to their "pissing contests".
Also, IRC politics are everywhere as well, even in channels with channel ops. It spawns from those that wish to have power and don't get what they think they deserve. Which that alone is human nature, not just IRC. Since it's human nature, it'll be on all IRC networks that have a population higher than 1 user.
Yes, I know. My point wasn't trying to be negitive. My point is more like it's kind of an oxymoron to love IRC but hate how users are gathered. It's like being a racecar driver and hating racing fuel. The 2 go hand-in-hand.
PS:
MexDownunda,
it's not too late to go back to being just a user and enjoying the tranquility. I've basiclly done exactlly that. I too have opered for many many years and I'm finding too many nets run by children and IRC related websites are infested with these "Children" trying to display what they think is knowledge. I'm not interested in all that hub bub, so I rarely oper anymore and stay in the quiet corners of IRC as a regular user and leave the kids to their "pissing contests".
Also, IRC politics are everywhere as well, even in channels with channel ops. It spawns from those that wish to have power and don't get what they think they deserve. Which that alone is human nature, not just IRC. Since it's human nature, it'll be on all IRC networks that have a population higher than 1 user.
Anyway, enough rambling.
Good Luck & Welcome
Every word you say is true! But I can never go back to being just a user. The 8 years prior, i spent on the one network. Not being welcomed there anymore has broken links that can never be repaired. Fortunately I found a nice quiet place where i can be both an IRCop and "just a chatter" and still have time for summer.
As for theft of users being a part of IRC life: Yes, we do encourage our friends and our fav channels to follow us when we change networks or found our own, this is true. Tis is the name of the game that is IRC. But when IRCops and admins from one network actively join another network and stir trouble between channel owners and network staff in order to lure those channels away, this is not acceptable. When they lie and cheat to get those channels, they lower the standards we should all try and maintain.
To win away a channel by offering more help, free web space and other incentives is fair and encourages networks to expand their own services. That is free enterprise. The use of lies and innuendo is thugery.
The same is true of admins who forget that their IRCops and helpers are volunteers who have given up their own chat time to help their home network. These larger networks train their opers (some of them very well), and then work them to death, pitting them against each other with silly contests and rules.
These types of networks have the large userbases, this is true, but they also have large numbers of IRCops reach their pain threshold at the same time and poof, suddenly the users are stuck with new recruits who a) don't know their stuff and b) don't know the users. That's when the punks with the egos jump in to fill the gaps. That's when the spammers and flamers strike hard.
Then those same admins wonder why they have become targets for the same kind of behavior they exibit.
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