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ShelLuser
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 Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:36 pm?? ?Post subject: UnderNet "mocking" London bombing
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Granted; it wasn't intended to be one but IMO the seemingly lack of preperation and competence really turned the #news channel which was intended to be kept informed and discuss the London bombings into a poor comedy.
Quite frankly I'm appalled by this seemingly lack of competence to understand that if you mass invite people from all over the UnderNet over that you can expect kiddies and other trouble makers. I am also disgusted to see opers/chanops who don't even seem to realize the existence of the +R channelmode. Granted; this won't stop all trouble, even kiddies have 10+ X accounts these days, but it sure would be a more gentle / serious approach then to +mi the channel and sporadicly try to -i the channel after which a new (unregged) bunch of bots pour in after which +i is back on.
For me the main event was when a chanop kicked out a voiced person because he put an URL into the channel, the kick reason saying that advertising wasn't appreciated. Anyone could see that this was an automated kick, and although the chanop in question was deopped shortly after it was my cue to get the hell out of this mockery.
People.... If you really wish to do something after something as horribly as the bombings today please please please... Either do it right or don't even bother trying. A failed attempt will only leave people dissapointed and angry which in the end will only hurt the reputation of the network. I for once consider this a very poor comedy, close to insulting even.
Have some f*cking respect for what actually happened.
Sorry for the harsh words but I had to get this out of my system. This is not meant as bashing nor trolling, I am truly upset by what I saw in #news today and wanted to get it out. I would have used the undernet forums but since they're down...
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Asmo
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:58 pm?? ?Post subject:
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Hmm sounds like I havent been around there to create order :p
In all fairness though, such channels arent really officialy Undernet channels or so, and they usually contain a broad mix of people which havent really been selected for the 'job' or so (if only they would).
I think I once have been in #news, with a similar event, and people just op eachother without any real hierarchy, including people who are running the wildest and most colourfull scripts. People care more about having a @ at such moment then adding to the discussion or spreading of valid news I'm afraid. And that indeed causes problems.
I also saw the channel was being advertised network wide with a notice, and that the chaos in the channel will reflect back on Undernet as the notice make the channel look like some official network channel, and that kinda sucks. I agree that shouldnt have happened.
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Mitko
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:32 pm?? ?Post subject:
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shame on www.irc-junkie.org !
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YounGun
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:41 pm?? ?Post subject:
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If all you saw in that channel was a misconfigured script and the bots that joined, I have to ask, why did you join the channel : to find news on the event or to find a ranting subject ?
We posted links from all the main news agencies, and kept everybody updated with the Blair's and other people declaration on the devastating event.
You're making it sound like the bots/drones on undernet are our fault. These massive join/parts happen on every channel that is announced globaly.
+R is not a recognized channel mode on Undernet. It is used as a usermode on Dalnet. I believe you were refering to the +r channel mode; true, it could have been best to set +r instead of +i.
If the channel hadn't been announced globaly, how could we get everybody together to talk about it, and share information, since the undernet.org forum is down ?
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mite
Joined: 30 Oct 2004
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:19 pm?? ?Post subject:
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Try Undernet channels #newsgarden for news discussion and #RSS for news feeds.
#newsgarden is a very, very well maintained news discussion channel and has a pretty impressive website @ http://newsgarden.org/. I frequent this channel and highly recommend it.
I msyelf maintain #RSS. There are bots posting updates from around 30 different news feeds every 10 minutes. I try to manage the channel well and basically provide it as a service to any Undernet user seeking news updates. It is the best 0day news channel I've ever found on Undernet 
I've never been in #news so I cant say anything about it. Sounds like it can get a little crazy in there.
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ShelLuser
Joined: 02 Apr 2005
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Location: Amersfoort, Holland
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:48 am?? ?Post subject:
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| If all you saw in that channel was a misconfigured script and the bots that joined, I have to ask, why did you join the channel : to find news on the event or to find a ranting subject ? |
I saw much more... I saw some ops who are in my humble opinion incompetent, a lot of join/parts of flood/spambots which weren't dealt with (we all know that X has a limited banlist, thats why we have bots), and I saw someone starting to feed the channel with facts but he got kicked by one of the (IMO) incompetent chanops.
Why did I join ? Your question is a bit odd... "If all you saw... why did you join?". How could I see this crap if I didn't join ?
Anyway; I have some friends and some relatives in London and I also have a (according to some people) bigheaded opinion about all these happenings. When some UnderNet oper send out:
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-Notice_!~sprinkler@sprinkler.users.undernet.org- On Behalf of Undernet, we send out our sympathy and support to all those affected by the recent tradegideies in London and have opend #news to all those wishing to discuss and follow all and any news on this incident
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I thought to be greeted with a place where I could actually... Be informed and discuss the happenings while ventilating *and* discussing my opinion and frustration in one of the major channels at that time.
Instead I am greeted with a moderated channel (STFU ?) where some people have ops, some people have voice and some opped people start kicking the voiced people out.
Sorry but give me a break here....
Any serious newbie would know that one of the best ways to avoid all this is to voice all people on entry and when they start doing crap take away their voice. When shit keeps going on ban 'm. I know; X can't do that. So ? Are all the opers programmed not to question the holy power of X or something like that ? Any eggy + a little google search would have been sufficient.
It seriously upsets (appals) me that some IRC opers were on that channel and couldn't figure out such a simple approach (or any other working variant.. I do not try to claim to be the all mightly know it all) but kept with +im, ...., -i, *yikes*, +i, ...., -i, *DAMN*, +i. What kind of opers are they ? The same who were surprised with the existance of the /ignore feature during the UnderNet 10 year celebration perhaps ? Or are they also afraid to be kicked out of the oper bucket when they actually dare to take serious action again some script kiddies, the same shit which we saw happening with 20+ opers earlier this year (disclaimer: I only know 1 side of this story. But since UnderNet refuses to give any comments on this for over 6 months I am now going to easily follow the information which has been provided to me). If the latter applies then I do have a little more sympathy for them and I will immediatly dim down on some of my harsh words. But in the mean time...
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| We posted links from all the main news agencies, and kept everybody updated with the Blair's and other people declaration on the devastating event. |
Puhlease...
Any RSS feed does that. You were an IRC channel for crying out loud. That means being should able to be interactive, allowing people to discuss things. But you couldn't even handle that.
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| You're making it sound like the bots/drones on undernet are our fault. These massive join/parts happen on every channel that is announced globaly. |
Ahhh, reverse logic. No, I do understand and acknowledge that the fact that drones and such join is not your fault.
What I do think is that it is your fault that no decent action but +mi was taken against it. That is IMVHO a pure cause of incompetence. A mere /whois on some of those drones in the early hours would have indicated that they weren't logged into X. +r would have helped in that event to get a massive load off your chests. And what of the opers? I spotted quite a few matching hostnames on some drones.. If this was an official channel (and the /notice clearly indicates that it is/was) why the heck can't you simply /kill or /gline the offenders ?
No... +im, -i, +i, -i, +i.
By the time I invited some friends over to get into the channel I started telling them to stay the hell away. Not that it mattered because I was already being asked how the heck I managed to even get into the channel.
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| If the channel hadn't been announced globaly, how could we get everybody together to talk about it, and share information, since the undernet.org forum is down ? |
You highly underestimate the power of hear say and people telling and inviting other people.
Really; don't you guys know anything about IRC at all or is it only about the big numbers that count ?
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ShelLuser
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:58 am?? ?Post subject:
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| mite wrote: |
Try Undernet channels #newsgarden for news discussion and #RSS for news feeds.
#newsgarden is a very, very well maintained news discussion channel and has a pretty impressive website @ http://newsgarden.org/. I frequent this channel and highly recommend it. |
Thanks a lot mite!
I haven't peeked in yet but their website is indeed quite impressive. What I also really like is their rules list, I am absolutely going to check out this channel tomorrow to see what it is all about. I'm absolutely going to peek in tomorrow.
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| I msyelf maintain #RSS. There are bots posting updates from around 30 different news feeds every 10 minutes. I try to manage the channel well and basically provide it as a service to any Undernet user seeking news updates. |
Noted!
I'll be sure to drop into that one as well...
Thanks a lot for the hints.
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mite
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:21 am?? ?Post subject:
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Cool. PM me with your nick and I'll be expecting you
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