Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:16 am?? ?Post subject: New article 'ISP's lack of responsibility for DoS attacks'
I know, I know! It was about time for a new article. And even though there finally is a new article, it is not even from my own hands... I hang my head in shame.
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:26 pm?? ?Post subject:
This probably runs off-topic, but does anyone else feel the whole download-centric mentality should bear some of the blame.
If the majority of ISPs turned around and started charging or throttling clients based on uploads instead of downloads we would see:
- Hopefully less (D)DoS attacks, as people become more upload concious (probably by the hard way though unfortunately). People who attack from their own connections will also be footing the bill instead of their targets.
- Less unwitting warez hosts (as above)
- Less spam and mass mailing viruses (as above)
- Less financial damage caused by the attacks themselves, reduced damage to resources as attackers are throttled for uploading
- People can actually *choose* what to use their quota on instead of having it taken away by some packetting moron
- People can not dispute their usage as they were *uploading* this traffic to the internet (of course the virus/trojan on computer issue arises here)
Sure, it's far from perfect, and I've probably overlooked something, but how can it be worse than the situation today? As the thread points out the victim pays idea kinda sucks, why not hit the people that cause the problem instead? The Internet has been running 'reverse-charge' for too long IMO.
(wasn't sure whether I should reply here or to the actual article thread itself)
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:29 am?? ?Post subject:
Skip, as a webmaster, if my isp throttled uploading, i would drop them. Most ISP's already no longer offer synchronous data rates, all they offer is asynchronous crap where they advertize their powerful 3 MB down, but you get like 128k up , as a webmaster that just sucks, people need uploading power just as much as download... Apparently you dont host many game servers or use the internet much...
Heres a idea : ISPs could quit being greedy about their contracts with one another and actually work together to make the internet a better place. And simple software on ISP servers can null route nearly 100% of dos attacks... What do you think the shell companys with dos protect for irc servers do... its not hard... some of those servers get enough dos to take out a small isp but they are fine cause they have good connections and good software.
And last but not least... who in their right mind would get a isp who charges for useage? lmfao, try a isp without a quota, you pay cash, they give you line, you use line full throttle 24/7, they dont care, cause you pay them...
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:14 pm?? ?Post subject:
romiir wrote:
Skip, as a webmaster, if my isp throttled uploading, i would drop them. Most ISP's already no longer offer synchronous data rates, all they offer is asynchronous crap where they advertize their powerful 3 MB down, but you get like 128k up , as a webmaster that just sucks, people need uploading power just as much as download... Apparently you dont host many game servers or use the internet much...
Heres a idea : ISPs could quit being greedy about their contracts with one another and actually work together to make the internet a better place. And simple software on ISP servers can null route nearly 100% of dos attacks... What do you think the shell companys with dos protect for irc servers do... its not hard... some of those servers get enough dos to take out a small isp but they are fine cause they have good connections and good software.
And last but not least... who in their right mind would get a isp who charges for useage? lmfao, try a isp without a quota, you pay cash, they give you line, you use line full throttle 24/7, they dont care, cause you pay them...
As a webmaster, wouldn't you be insane to sign up with a webhost that throttles upload anyway? Wouldn't a webhost be insane to say 'free uploads, we only count downloads!'? I guess the term ISP is too broad, I was trying to indicate a regular home connection. The type that visits your site, not hosts it.
It would be nice if ISPs did work together, or heck if more ISPs just took the time to secure things closer to home (like stopping spoofed packets at the source, or should that be at the != source ). From your hosting point of view it must be refreshing to know you can ring somebody and block access to your server instead of having some kiddie block access to your server (wow!). No such luxuries as a home user.
My access to unmetered plans is already limited, and I'm not loaded with cash (are you?). But it's good enough for what I use it for, provided I haven't hurt some kiddie's feelings this month.
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, as a webmaster that just sucks, people need uploading power just as much as download... Apparently you dont host many game servers or use the internet much... 
idea 
). From your hosting point of view it must be refreshing to know you can ring somebody and